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Post by transvestite on Sept 11, 2012 20:26:12 GMT -5
lets never forget the people that died in the terrorist attacks eleven years ago
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Post by straf on Sept 11, 2012 20:31:51 GMT -5
People still give a crap about that?
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Post by Zilla2112 on Sept 11, 2012 20:53:58 GMT -5
People still give a crap about that? Considering it's arguably the most important event in the 21st century so far, it shouldn't be surprising to you that people still care about the victims of the September 11th attacks. |
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Post by straf on Sept 11, 2012 21:09:30 GMT -5
But there has been much worse things happen before that I can't really see it as anything that important, 21st century or no.
But you live much closer to the scene of the crime than I, so you probably have stronger feelings about it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Every time someone says 9/11 is terrible, though, (and it is, don't get me wrong), I always think of the bombing of Dresden (which I personally think was wrong) that we took part in or the mass slaughter in Rwanda in the 90's and I really don't get what the big deal is. It happens. America has caused it to happen. Of course, one could always pull the "but it was terrorism" thing, but that's only a label that makes it seem worse.
"yo dawgs, iraq has sum wmd"
"alright cul thx 4 the tip"
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"hurr durr um where r day?"
Unless I've misunderstood the situation, which is a possibility.
There was a sort of big jump in my post but I'm not sure how to pt my thoughts in the woods.
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Post by Zilla2112 on Sept 11, 2012 21:35:46 GMT -5
You're correct that there have been worse events in the past, but that doesn't render 9/11 as insignificant. Consider the severity of the attacks (two of the tallest buildings in the world destroyed, killing over 3,000 people), the location of the attacks (New York City and Washington D.C., two of the most important cities in the U.S. and the world), the two wars that followed (not to mention the hundreds of thousands of deaths and the billions of dollars spent), as well as the actions our government took in limiting civil liberties and increasing security at its airports and borders. 9/11 is such a significant event in this century because even 11 years after this tragic event, we can still see the effects every day in this nation and throughout the world.
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Post by Elysia Drake on Sept 11, 2012 21:40:11 GMT -5
i've seen too much bad pony art of this so no comment
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Post by Soup567 on Sept 11, 2012 21:45:25 GMT -5
But there has been much worse things happen before that I can't really see it as anything that important, 21st century or no. But you live much closer to the scene of the crime than I, so you probably have stronger feelings about it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Every time someone says 9/11 is terrible, though, (and it is, don't get me wrong), I always think of the bombing of Dresden (which I personally think was wrong) that we took part in or the mass slaughter in Rwanda in the 90's and I really don't get what the big deal is. It happens. America has caused it to happen. Of course, one could always pull the "but it was terrorism" thing, but that's only a label that makes it seem worse. "yo dawgs, iraq has sum wmd" "alright cul thx 4 the tip" ... "hurr durr um where r day?" Unless I've misunderstood the situation, which is a possibility. There was a sort of big jump in my post but I'm not sure how to pt my thoughts in the woods. The big deal is that a whole lot of people died, and that's always sad. Dresden and Rwanda have nothing at all to do with 9/11. And it was an act of terrorism. Al Qaeda is an awful organization, and although the U.S. is wrong on many of their actions in the Middle East, absolutely nothing that they've done justifies terrorism and more killing, and on civilians especially. It's fine to be mad at the politicians who got us into these pointless conflicts and the military, oil and other business contractors who were the motivators behind it, and you should sure as hell be mad the terrorists, but please don't act like civilians getting killed isn't a big deal. |
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Post by Soup567 on Sept 11, 2012 21:52:35 GMT -5
as well as the actions our government took in limiting civil liberties and increasing security at its airports and borders. Well I agree that certain actions such as the Patriot Act are a violation of civil liberties, I don't think longer security lines and body scans count as a violation of civil liberties at all. Wow 10 seconds in a scanner, with absolutely no pictures of your junk (since it's just an avatar representation). It's a minor inconvenience and doesn't hurt anyone's freedom because... they only last for a FEW SECONDS! Of course they really aren't effective in finding potential explosive devices hidden in some areas, but that's a different story... |
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Post by Zilla2112 on Sept 11, 2012 22:02:36 GMT -5
as well as the actions our government took in limiting civil liberties and increasing security at its airports and borders. Well I agree that certain actions such as the Patriot Act are a violation of civil liberties, I don't think longer security lines and body scans count as a violation of civil liberties at all. Wow 10 seconds in a scanner, with absolutely no pictures of your junk (since it's just an avatar representation). It's a minor inconvenience and doesn't hurt anyone's freedom because... they only last for a FEW SECONDS! Of course they really aren't effective in finding potential explosive devices hidden in some areas, but that's a different story... I didn't necessarily imply that airport security measures violated civil liberties. I just mentioned both of them in the same part of the sentence. Regardless, while airport security needed to be beefed up after 9/11, I've heard of so many instances where the security measures have gone overboard. I was watching NBC Nightly News recently, and they did a story in which people couldn't even bring water bottles they bought AT THE AIRPORT onto the plane. This whole situation involving the TSA has given me another example of how 9/11 has affected my own life: it's given me dozens of reasons never to fly on an airplane. |
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Post by Soup567 on Sept 11, 2012 22:06:38 GMT -5
I didn't necessarily imply that airport security measures violated civil liberties. I just mentioned both of them in the same part of the sentence. Regardless, while airport security needed to be beefed up after 9/11, I've heard of so many instances where the security measures have gone overboard. I was watching NBC Nightly News recently, and they did a story in which people couldn't even bring water bottles they bought AT THE AIRPORT onto the plane. This whole situation involving the TSA has given me another example of how 9/11 has affected my own life: it's given me dozens of reasons never to fly on an airplane. Wow what airport is that? Since they implemented the new bottled water and liquid measures I've always been able to bring bottled water that was bought in the airport after I went pass security. And I think the only reason not to fly is that flying is bothersome and uncomfortable all together. Unless you have a private jet, those sounds like lot's of fun. Or one of those planes that simulates weightless. Those sound fun too. |
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Post by Elysia Drake on Sept 11, 2012 23:09:14 GMT -5
*starts popping the popcorn and gets out the lawn chairs*
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Post by Fatalfriend on Sept 11, 2012 23:16:44 GMT -5
I've seen enough offense pictures and flamewars to know better to stay out of this, but dammit. People died, it's a huge deal, but the way I cope things are with humor, so yes I enjoy the terrible offensive 9/11 images such as this  |
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Post by Wave57 on Sept 11, 2012 23:46:26 GMT -5
Dammit, I'm with Fatal.
Jenga day must be enjoyed with no regrets!
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Post by straf on Sept 12, 2012 14:37:57 GMT -5
but please don't act like civilians getting killed isn't a big deal. It is a big deal, but Americans act like we're the only country to have shit happen to them. And just because Dresden and Rwanda aren't completely related doesn't mean they aren't comparable. Thousands of civilians were killed in Dresden thanks to the Ally bombings (and the bombing was to show the Soviets how powerful the Allies were. That's fucking terrorism, no? Not the same flavor as 9/11, but still terrorism) but I don't see flags flying for them or moments of silence for them. I'm just pissed that everyone treats it like the worst thing ever, and I'm not actually as completely indifferent as I sound (though I am indifferent), but we really need to treat slaughters equally. |
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Post by Soup567 on Sept 12, 2012 15:35:10 GMT -5
It is a big deal, but Americans act like we're the only country to have shit happen to them. And just because Dresden and Rwanda aren't completely related doesn't mean they aren't comparable. Thousands of civilians were killed in Dresden thanks to the Ally bombings (and the bombing was to show the Soviets how powerful the Allies were. That's fucking terrorism, no? Not the same flavor as 9/11, but still terrorism) but I don't see flags flying for them or moments of silence for them. I'm just pissed that everyone treats it like the worst thing ever, and I'm not actually as completely indifferent as I sound (though I am indifferent), but we really need to treat slaughters equally. Yes, the Dresden bombings were horrible and completely unnecessary , but that doesn't make any other tragedy any less horrible. It was in part revenge for the Germans bombing England to near submission, and as you said to show the Soviets are strength. Neither of which made it ok. But the reason 9/11 is a tender issue for so many people because it was an incident that happened at home and not all that long ago. There's still a lot of remembrance that goes on for Pearl Harbor too. People always feel hurt about these sorts of tragedies when they happen in their own countries. We don't fixate on the many bad things we've done, because it makes the military look real bad, and of course the Pentagon wants them to look like a vessel for freedom and democracy to get the flag wavers going and to support future conflicts. It's quite an ugly mess actually. We should man up and apologize for the things we did just as the German government apologized to the Jews for the Holocaust. We push other countries to apologize like Turkey for the Armenian Genocide (until they threatened to cut off access to their airfields, then we stopped), but we don't have the courage to man up and do it ourselves. They're sure are a lot of hypocrites here, politicians and regular civilians included who ignore the many bad things we've done. |
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