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Post by Wave57 on Nov 19, 2012 14:24:22 GMT -5
Felt like bringing up a very deep and interesting topic.
Does "time" exist? Is it an actual thing that humans can use to travel to distant places? Is it just an invention by man?
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Post by Dickwagon on Nov 19, 2012 14:38:31 GMT -5
Time is only relative to your perception. It's how long your brain takes to process things.
I do believe it exists though. But then again, we have to question the existence of everything.
You have no way of proving that /anything/ you see exists. It's all in your head.
Eh. I don't think I described that very well, but I think you'll get my point..
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Post by Zilla2112 on Nov 19, 2012 14:39:03 GMT -5
Hmmm... this is an interesting question. I certainly cannot choose an answer, as I think it might be a combination of both possibilities.
Here's another question I have to answer for homework: Do animals die? It seems obvious that they do, but according to Rabbinic dialogue from the Talmud, they do not.
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Post by Soup567 on Nov 19, 2012 18:36:06 GMT -5
Well the current physics suggest that time is real. The Big Bang was when time started (for our universe at least), but there is some debate over whether it is actually real or not. Here's another question I have to answer for homework: Do animals die? It seems obvious that they do, but according to Rabbinic dialogue from the Talmud, they do not. I would not consult any religious texts about anything on biological processes or in this case the end of. Of course they die, anything that lives dies. Once blood stops pumping through your body and your brain shuts off, you die. Their biological processes are no different from ours. People are animals. Our cell structures are exactly the same, they have all the same organs we do. So according to that logic that Talmud would say that people don't die either, and of course we do. Now maybe that Talmud was talking about spirits or something and I misunderstood the question. The survival of consciousness after death is something that is also debated. |
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Post by Zilla2112 on Nov 19, 2012 19:32:18 GMT -5
Here's the actual text:
> Our teachers taught:
> Six things were said about demons, three assimilating them to angels, and three to humans.
> Like angels, demons (1) have wings, (2) fly from one end of the world to another, and (3) know what is about to come (or rather "sort of know" -- by hearing over the pargod); like humans, demons (4) eat and drink, (5) proliferate and multiply, and (6) die;
> Six things were said about humans, three assimilating them to angels and three to animals.
> Like angels, humans (1) have a mind-set, (2) walk while standing, and (3) speak the holy language; like animals, humans (4) eat and drink, (5) proliferate and multiply, (6) excrete;
Note how "die" is mentioned when comparing humans to demons, but not when comparing humans to animals. Therefore, animals cannot die. I can't make any sense out of it, though I'll see if I'll be able to tomorrow when I go to class.
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Post by Wave57 on Nov 20, 2012 1:47:33 GMT -5
My question is why are three things being listed? One could list many more things that just those three, so it seems to be more of a mistake of the author.
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Post by Zilla2112 on Nov 20, 2012 9:24:15 GMT -5
Exactly. I mentioned that in my response to my professor. A great deal of the class deals with interpretation, so it's possible that this weird implication is wrong.
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Post by Soup567 on Nov 20, 2012 13:24:21 GMT -5
I find it odd that you're in a religion class. You're pretty nonreligious from what I remember.
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Post by Elysia Drake on Nov 20, 2012 13:36:20 GMT -5
I'm in a religion class too. It's actually pretty cool!
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Post by Zilla2112 on Nov 20, 2012 15:06:37 GMT -5
I find it odd that you're in a religion class. You're pretty nonreligious from what I remember. I am nonreligious, but the title of the class, "Arguing with God", definitely interested me. I had to take an Honors seminar in order to be in the UB Honors College, so I took that one as it looked the most appealing. The next seminar I will take is called "Church, State, and Religious Liberty". Now that I'm back from class, I understand the topic better. Our professor noted the distinction between perishing (in the biological sense) and death (which includes the emotions, fears, and in particular a "fear of heaven" which humans and the imaginary demons exhibit). By looking at it this way, it makes more logical sense, considering that animals and humans both perish/die, but deal with it differently. |
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Post by Soup567 on Nov 20, 2012 15:37:05 GMT -5
The course title does sound interesting.
And I think it's quite possible that animals feel fear, especially when dying. There's evidence indicating they do feel emotions. I think anyone who spends any time with animals on a regular basis notices that they all have their own personalities and respond to different situations corresponding to different emotions. Don't dogs and cats act happy when you're petting them? You bet they do, that's how at least I've observed it.
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Post by Zilla2112 on Nov 20, 2012 16:09:00 GMT -5
It's definitely an interesting discussion to have. These statements made in the Talmud are several centuries old, and most of modern science and psychology didn't exist then.
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Post by Elysia Drake on Nov 23, 2012 2:56:07 GMT -5
Well, Talk's back.
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Post by ale on Nov 23, 2012 14:07:25 GMT -5
time to me is amount of life we spend, if we waste away our moments of life we're wasting away the moments we can spend with the ones we love or watching our anime
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Post by Elysia Drake on Nov 23, 2012 18:15:33 GMT -5
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